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What happens when support you rely on is at risk? 

 

In Episode 75 of Wellbeing Interrupted, I speak with disability advocate and NDIS participant Jarrod Sandell-Hay about the upcoming changes to NDIS pricing—and why they matter so much. 

Jarrod shares how Allied Health support has helped him stay well and independent, and why cuts to services could mean people miss out on the care they need. We talk about what’s changing, what it means for those living in regional areas, and how people with lived experience often feel unheard in decisions that directly impact their lives. 

This is a powerful reminder that these changes are personal—and that speaking up matters. 

If you LOVED this episode, make sure you share it on your Instagram stories and tag us @hurdle2hope! 

 

KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS 

• NDIS pricing changes risk reducing access to important Allied Health support. 
• Regional and remote communities may be hit hardest due to fewer local options. 
• People may have to stop therapy or pay out-of-pocket—if they can afford it. 
• There’s growing concern that participants are being left out of key decisions. 
• These changes highlight the need for stronger advocacy and collective action. 

 

SHOW RESOURCES 

 

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Follow Jarrod Sandell Hay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarrodsandellhay/ 

 

ABOUT THE GUEST 

Jarrod has a strong background in leading projects and working with different communities. He focuses on making sure people with disabilities are treated fairly, especially through the NDIS, and supports people’s rights to express who they are. Jarrod is a great communicator and is passionate about seeking equality through justice and liberation for all disabled people.

 

Transcript Episode 75: The Real Cost of NDIS Price Changes – A Participant, Parent, and Provider Perspective

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Teisha Rose: Hey there, Tisha here and welcome to episode 75 of Wellbeing Interrupted. Hopefully you can understand this intro and the outro. Okay, I'm talking into my iPhone, a voice memo because I'm staying in the hotel room for a few days to yeah, catch up on a bit of rest out of the caravan, and I forgot to bring my microphone, so I'm using this instead.

But I wanted to record a quick intro to an incredible interview I did last week. I reached out to Jarrod Sandell-Hay Jarrod, a disability communication specialist with over 15 years experience in digital media, radio, and advocacy. And I really wanted to chat to Jarrod about the impact of these NDIS price changes.

If you listen to last week's episode, episode 74, I shared with Giarne these [00:01:00] new changes which will really impact the people like me, um, living with disabilities and also with health conditions and the supports they get with allied health practitioners. I reached out to Jarrod because he wrote an incredible article that was really emotional.

But it was really, I guess, a way of communicating the dire impact this will have, these changes will have on the most vulnerable people in the disability community. Again, if you're living not in Australia and overseas, this still is very relevant. This is about how the most vulnerable are impacted by government changes and really putting voice to that.

A quick note as well, we mention behavioral support plans and I just wanted to [00:02:00] flag that. Absolutely. OTs play a pivotal role in creating these plans, but they're also part of a broader team that includes psychologists, , behavior specialists and support coordinators.

. OTs play a pivotal role. These changes will impact the role that they can play on these really, really important plans for those with disabilities, with really complex behaviors.

So enough of the introduction, I do hope you really enjoy this episode. I learned so much from Jarrod. And I'll be back after this episode, um, to give you my thoughts of what's happening next.

 [00:03:00] so welcome Jarrod. Thank you so much for joining us here on Wellbeing Interrupted.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: So wonderful to be here.

Teisha Rose: I'm very excited and we're just chatting before I hit the record button and my physio sent an article and we'll be talking about this article that you published recently in relation to these NDIS price changes.

And I read it and I thought, how good [00:04:00] this is such a fantastic insight that you shared as a participant and. Yeah, I thought I'll reach out and get you on the show. So I'm so pleased that you've made time to have a chat with us on this really important issue.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Not a problem. Thanks for having me.

Teisha Rose: You're welcome.

Okay, so just before we get onto what we're here to share light on, . Can you tell us a little bit about yourself so people know where we are chatting to you from and yeah, just a little bit about yourself.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Oh, thanks again for having having me. I am coming to you from the unceded lands of the Wurundjeri people, um, circle Melbourne and I have been.

I'm going to show my age a little bit, but I've been a disability [00:05:00] advocate activist for about, uh, 15, 20 years. Um, both in, um, in Naarm in Victoria, and also in, um, uh.

which is in New South Wales. Um, and I've been with the NDIS probably six or seven years. Um, I've always self-managed my, most of my NDS funding. And before that I managed self, managed my, um, Victorian funding as well. Um, and so yeah, I'm, I've been around a little while and, um, we're in difficult, [00:06:00] but interesting times.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, absolutely we are. And I'm glad you've been in the system and you know, for a little while because that brings great insight into what's going on. Um, and also that you are being advocating, , for people living with disabilities for a long time. And that is such a important skillset, especially during times like this.

So. In, the article, and I'll just show and I'll put this in the link. So you wrote a piece called If the NDIA is comfortable with disabled people dying, it better get comfortable with disabled people fighting back. Such a powerful title. , And in that piece you talked about that these NDIS price changes are personal.

So tell us [00:07:00] why are these changes so personal for you?

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: I think when we need to take a step back mm-hmm. And, and have a look at the last 18 months. Right. And so. The last 18 months, um, probably when the new government got elected, the first time they made a decision that the NDIS was costing too much money, and that was very clear that they made their decision.

And so what we've had over the last couple of years and ramping up in the last 18 months is this constant undermining of [00:08:00] our supports. And I don't know if you remember, I know exactly where I was, but I don't know where you were. But I remember the former minister was doing a A National Press Club address about what he was going to propose change for the NDIS, and he started by mentioning things that would come across as very, um.

Very startling to somebody not in the NDIS, not a part of disability life. So he came out and he talked about how um, OTs and therapists were [00:09:00] prescribing all kinds of therapies. He mentioned dolphin therapy and cuddle therapy, and he did that for a couple of reasons.

Teisha Rose: Mm-hmm.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: He, he decided to attack our our supports because he knew that if he came out and attacked participants, he knew he wasn't going to win that argument. And in the examples he gave sounding so bizarre that people who you know, can't afford to put food on the table or can't afford housing would, it [00:10:00] would be very easy for them to agree with him like, yes, why?

Why am I, why am I taxes paying for things like cuddle therapy and dolphins? So, um, whether we agree with the former minister or not, he is a brilliant communicator and he knew exactly what he was doing. So. So that's kind of the setup to why we're, why we're here now. And I would say that this is the, I would, if I was an OT or a physio, I would wear this as a badge of honor. But the NDIS has obviously, um, realize that OTs are pretty good at their job [00:11:00] and they're pretty good at report writing. And they're pretty good at evidence gathering and, um, you know, the NDIA have already come out and said we don't have time to read these reports.

Um, and, but the reason why. Um, they really hate them is because while the NDIA doesn't have time to read the reports the courts and the legal system do.

Teisha Rose: Yep. So

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: when, when our reports get to a legal stage, we often are successful in receiving the supports we need. So, and the government realised that, so what they're trying to do is instead of giving [00:12:00] everybody access to really good OTs and really good physios and things like that, they're continuing to undermine them.

, For the purpose of, , trying to control the quality of the services we receive because whether we agree with it or not. The NDIS is a capitalist system. It runs on capitalism as much as any other part of the government does.

Teisha Rose: Mm-hmm.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: And when you pay people, look, when you, when you do value them in a monetary way, you'll get worse results.

And I think that's what the government and the [00:13:00] NDIA are hoping for to stop to, um, to limit how much funding is given out the door.

Teisha Rose: Yeah. Okay. But the consequences of that, and there's such a, a great insight you've shared, because you're right, this hasn't come from nowhere. This has come from, as you said, 18 months ago and even prior to that, that it's very targeted because for me, thinking what, what have they got against Allied Health, , here I am they are everything to me. Everything, , that's what keeps me going, the most important assistance I can get. So if then you think, how would not having those supports, how will that impact you?

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Well, yeah. The other bit to this is nobody's talking about outcomes. [00:14:00] Yeah. No one. , We we're talking about keeping it sustainable. We're keeping it, talking about keeping people safe. We're talking about, , reducing, um, the burden on the system. But now one is talking about outcomes.

Real outcomes for me and my family because in my family, there are two NDIS participants,

Teisha Rose: Yeah.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: And for me, the, the consequences of this are quite real. Before my, my first ever functional capacity assessment, which only a couple of years ago.

I am with, if I, if I didn't have access to that and I didn't get that assessment, [00:15:00] I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be living in the house that I am at the moment. I wouldn't be living. Three, five minutes away from my work, I wouldn't be able to support my family. I wouldn't be the husband that, um, my wife expects me to be and the husband that I would like to be.

Um, and what do I mean by it? I mean, you know, without that functional capacity assessments, I know a little bit about what my needs are and I know where I need day to day, but I don't have the language that, uh, OT or physio has to be [00:16:00] able to speak to what that looks like in an assessment and you know, I just said that I live in Victoria about 25 minutes away from the city, and even then it took about five weeks to get that assessment done.

So with these changes, um, if you are someone living rural or regional Australia you have no hope of ever seeing an allied specialist again in person, and if you are able to see them online, the government has made that even harder now because they've taken away the the pathway, the easy pathway of being [00:17:00] able to access Allied Health.

You have to get a report for an iPad now, and it's like, well, hang on, are we, it's a bit like the chicken and the egg. How am I meant to get an iPad if I can't get an OT, but I need the iPad to see the OT. There was a bit of a chicken and the egg claim situations.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, that's so true, Jarrod. That's so true.

And I'll just pause it there because I live in Central Victoria, Maryborough, or just out of Maryborough, and I was chatting to, uh, physio. I can't get a neuro physio. In Maryborough, there's no OTs or speech therapists there as well. And that's right. So all of a sudden, and for people who don't know, the system, the actual assessment Jarrod's talking about, that's what my guest last week, Giarne said.

[00:18:00] Those for them, they go through so much training. And have to pay a lot of money to be able to do those assessments. They're very specialized. So if we don't have the people trained and able to do those, we don't know what the capacity can be for people. And we want people to contribute like Jarrod is and do so much.

And as Jarrod mentioned, to be, , a better husband to be able to go off to work, to do things, but without that assessment, without access to an OT and physio, that doesn't happen. So, sorry. I just wanted to really highlight that, Jarrod, because that's so important and I want people to know that just thinking, , we need to cut the costs or not give them more or not let them travel.

These people regionally will hurt.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Yeah, and they're.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, they are already hurting. You're

right.

And it's gonna be

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: worse. Yeah. And, you know, um, I, I don't say things just to, um, [00:19:00] uh, to go nuclear on the internet. , When I say people are dying, people are dying. Yeah. We are seeing so many, um, people with psycho psychosocial people being left behind by the only system that ever supported them even a little bit. I just wanted to say , um, I think there might be a misconception there, . that, you know, participants are lining up for functional capacity assessment and walking out of the room going, yay, that was incredible. Now I can do whatever I want. Um, no, that was not the case.

My, my functional capacity assessment was quite [00:20:00] hard.

It was hours and hours and hours of, um, taxing questions and ideas and, um, you know, it brought up trauma and this is the reality for a lot of people. Um, so while, there are probably our best, um. Our best evidence gathering tool. I really want the government and the society, broader society to know that we're not, we're not like excited about an assessment.

Teisha Rose: No, they're

hard. Hard work. They're very taxing. A hundred percent. And then

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: on the other hand, I feel really, I feel so much for the people who put these reports together [00:21:00] and spend hours of their day, you know, and OTs don't decide to become OTs for nothing. They, they do, they go through, um, years of uni and stuff, , but when a good OT spends the time writing a report for 10 hours to have somebody in in an office, then read probably a quarter of a page of the report and then throw that report out and say, no, we don't believe you. I am I, I would find that job myself to be,

[00:22:00] so, , demoralizing and, , uh, I, I don't know how they do it and I wouldn't be surprised if, , if we see more and more, um, allied health professionals exit the system.

Teisha Rose: Yeah.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: But I, I wanted to make the point that we're living in 2025 and I don't remember ever seeing in my lifetime um, a cohort of people having their wages cut before. But I am, I, I for some reason, um, when it comes to disability, it's okay to cut people's wages. Like I've never seen that in any other part of, [00:23:00] um, in working

society.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, totally agree it's outrageous. And what I don't like is that, that then, , they say, well, they're comparing it to different models, you know, comparing it to Medicare, and it's like, as you said, this is so different and the difference with Medicare participants have to pay the gap, whereas when we don't have the funds to do that.

You're right to cut it by $10 after having frozen, , the actual amount they're being paid is absurd. And then to try and equate it with something that is so different, um, it, it's outrageous. But as you said, you know, like you've got me thinking differently. Jarrod, you know, this is, feel like this is all a setup.

You know, that they've been angling for this for a long time.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: The government, um, banks on us looking at [00:24:00] our personal issues. You're all very active online, as am I, you have probably seen a little bit of the in fighting that started to happen, support workers turning on allied health..

Allied health turn on support workers, you know, and we did this as well. Participants turned on, , each other, . The physical disabilities like me, were blaming too many autistic people. Autistic people were blaming too many users, wheelchair users, and the government bank on this. This is the fight they want us to have.

But if we take five minutes and look a little bit more [00:25:00] broadly, I'm not sure if you, um, you probably have, because you are pretty well read in the sector, but like the NDIS is now a part of the health department, like, do we think that was a coincidence? Like, no, this, this was a real, somebody made their decision.

Yeah, and they made it for a reason. And I think they may for the reason that you are highlighting is the government would love for their health system and NDIS to become one [00:26:00] system. And instead of doing it the hard and best way, they're doing it the easy and cheap way. And that is instead of giving everyone the best support, they give everyone the support their taste is the worst. The support is hard to swallow. I did a podcast the other week for my work and t he guest on that said, why is it that our support needs to taste bad for, for people to accept it?

Teisha Rose: That's great.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Yeah. I thought that was really telling, um, you know, why, why should we have a bad time accessing support for that support to be [00:27:00] funded?

Yeah. Um, that was never meant to be the way the NDS was meant to be the social system based on the social model of disability. It does not belong anywhere near health. And yeah. Um, it is going to be, you know, it might not be this government. Maybe they'll wait for their opponents to be the bad guy, but over the years, what I think will happen is we'll see a more and more different governments try to push, um, this into a health space, rather into a social space.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, that's interesting. And, and it's interesting too, and I, I'm gonna, I'll mention it here 'cause. Back in 2016, the NDIA [00:28:00] media department, I'd written a book and they wanted me to talk to a reporter, , from The Age.

And I said I thought the NDIS was excellent scheme because it enabled me to be proactive, with my health. I didn't have to wait to get sick to go to hospital to get treated. So like you, you know, it was a very different system. Everything that was good and the intention for the system, that's now changed.

Now what I said back in 2016, I can't access, so what I, talked about, having to wait to get sick, to go to hospital, to have treatment, to walk again. That's gonna happen again because if I can't access physio, since being on the NDIS, I haven't had a relapse. I've, functioned, I'm working and all, what happens when I don't have that support?

, It's such shortsightedness, don't you think?

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: And [00:29:00] that's the only thing that doesn't stop is our lives. Yeah. You know? , Government can stop our funding. Our access to supports, um, but our lives they don't stop for anything. And I, I, I, I laugh at their hypocrisy because the government and the NDIA a more than the government, but they shove down the importance of early intervention. Early intervention is the best thing ever. Everyone needs early intervention. We, we must, but then they, they do everything in their power to stop people accessing their supports at the time that they needed. So I, I just roll my eyes when I hear the words early [00:30:00] intervention because if there was true, there wouldn't be so many hurdles in the way between, participants, uh, and their supports.

And people like you and me, we are probably gonna be okay. Yeah. Um, we're, we're strong people. We've been around, we know, we know to speak up and stuff, but for a young family or a young kid going through this system now, um, it would be absolutely terrifying.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, no, you're right. And early intervention, it's just makes sense, doesn't it?

. To give the supports and set that person up for life, . So, can I ask Jarrod, and for everyone, you, when you're talking about work, where are you working? . Is this your advocacy work you're talking about ? Yeah.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: . Yeah. Um, so I work with a [00:31:00] lot of, uh, organisations, both, , formally and as, a subcontractor. And what then recently I have been working with an organisation that works predominantly with people with intellectual disabilities and they call themselves self-advocates. And self-advocates are the most incredible people. I'm not saying that of, um, yeah, there's always a superhero villain complex where. Yeah, people with disabilities are either the hero or the villain and there's no in between.

Um, so I'm not talking about that. But [00:32:00] what I'm talking about is self-advocates are powerful because through their lived experience they have come out and they have dealt with some of the most egregious. Human rights breaches in their personal life, and now they're working with their community towards a better outcome for people who might be in the same situation as they were.

And they do that in a world that is not made for them, that is not accessible for them., From very basic things like material being in easy read or in, , plain English, like God forbid I don't know about you [00:33:00] but half of the stuff in my plan I don't even understand. So I have no idea how these self-advocates do such a good job at getting what they need, but they do.

And what we need to do as a society is to learn what we need to do to support these, these cohorts of people. That needs to go beyond, we need to wrap them up in wool, in cotton wool and protect them and hide them away from society because that's the opposite of safety that makes nobody safe , The other part of my work I work with a lot of self managers, a lot of people that have been around the traps for a while. [00:34:00] They have grown, they have lived in a system that doesn't belong to them. So they have decided to create their own systems and create their own supports and create their own way of doing things in a way that supports them.

So I think I'm in a unique position where I work with really energetic people who have very limited resources. And then I work with very, very tired advocates that, , very, very large amount of resources. And if I can somehow bring those two worlds together. , I hope that, um, that, that gives [00:35:00] me the ability to kind of see things from, uh, both perspectives.

Teisha Rose: In terms of

the most vulnerable, so if you don't have resources, if all of a sudden you're living regionally, these price changes happen, that's where what you're saying, you know, people will die through this. So that's not a stretch, is it?

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: No and if we look at this through a lense of a behavior support plan,

Teisha Rose: yep.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Uh, behavior support plan is often created by an OT that spends maybe a few hours with a participant on any given day, and that support plan is once they've signed off, that's the support plan , until it gets changed next [00:36:00] time . Maybe that will be in 90 days.

Maybe that will be in four years. But the behavior support plan is in place, and services have to stick to that. So when we're talking about cuts to allied health . What type of outcome would I have or a person that needs a comprehensive behavior support plan?

Teisha Rose: Yeah.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Are the allied heatlh people going to be able to, capture everything in their support plan or we going to see more of what's happening now. , For example, , I used to work with, I tried to work [00:37:00] with, . group homes and , there was a resident in a group home that, um, that didn't like, cold water. And they had particular specific, , and complex communication. So when, whenever someone would, uh, give them cold water, they would, um, they would forcibly , aspirate. So there is a communication of saying, no, I don't want cold water, but because the behavior support plan was a limited, a limited amount of time.

And, you know, the [00:38:00] allied health and, uh, people around this person said, oh, , this person can't have, um, normal liquids because they aspirate. So , then they're forced to have thickener for, for no reason. This person had no reason to have thickener in their water or in their drinks and when they were just communicating that they didn't want cold water.

Ah, and so for half a decade this person was having thickener in their drinks. I dunno about you if you've ever had thinkener before.

Teisha Rose: No so that happened because of that miscommunication. So if there was a more detailed behavioral support plan, then they would know that that was just communicating didn't want hold water.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: And [00:39:00]

that's, that's what's happening now.

Teisha Rose: Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: So imagine

when we undermine, yeah. Our OTs and our physios to the point where they just give up. The risk is we going to create a cohort of, allied health professionals that do the worst job. That care less. Yeah.

That don't have their attention to detail that is required to do the job. And then when that happens, the government will say. Well, we told you allied health people were terrible , and so it will be a constant way of government saving money. Yeah. [00:40:00] And reducing what we need.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, a hundred percent.

And you're right, I hadn't even thought of it . And I was an NDIS auditor and we did go into, , homes,, and you're right, they rely on those behavioral support plans.

So it, it just doesn't make sense at all. So thank you for that. , I think as we sort of close up, let's just quickly say if someone's listening, who's a participant? If someone's really scared about what's happening, what type of things do you say for them to do, to advocate for themselves?

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: , Uh, well, I would say, uh, 20, 23-year-old Jarrod would say to them, you should speak up.

You should tell everyone how you feel. You should get angry. Um, uh, which they more than, more than [00:41:00] entitled to do. Um, if you are, if you are a little bit older like me and you do have a career and you do have responsibilities, you do have to be a little, be careful because I have, I have lost, um, employment opportunities where I've had different ministers, government officials absolutely not talk to me for, , for years on end. Um, you create a lot of, as many people like you and I I get together, there is a growing list of people who don't like what I say. And, and so when you're working in this field, this space. Um, you do [00:42:00] have to take that into account, like, and do I have money to feed myself?

And luckily, luckily, um, my wife and I are diverse enough in our income streams that I am a little bit able to speak my mind a little bit more. Sometimes I can't help myself and I put out articles like the one I did the other day. Um, but what I would say is the best way to do it, if you are starting out in the world, ask questions.

If it is very hard for people to get offended when you ask a question, I just, if we ever get to a stage where. Um, and maybe we are moving into [00:43:00] that stage, but if we ever get to a stage where, um, being curious about something is offensive, , then boy do we, do, we have a long way to go. So if things don't feel right, doing things like ask questions. Yeah. Um, try to find out why things are the way they're, , and yeah, if you have a social media platform, you know, I didn't have the following that I have now, but I will often still , share my opinion. So, um, and you know, the good thing about the internet is if you step up it's okay because two weeks, nobody will know.

[00:44:00] I would just, you, I would just , put out my ideas, , be respectful. Always, um, debate the argument, not the person that is having the arguments. Um, these are all things that I tell people to do, but they're very hard to do them and I am not perfect. , And it's ok not to be perfect. And remember, you, we up against governments that have their communication people, they have media people.

They have all these people to protect themselves, so don't feel like you have to be , at their standard. And you know, obviously my article resonated with people [00:45:00] because it was personal. And if you are in a space where you can share your personal experience, that is our power. Because, no, no government, no I mean, they try to relate to people through their personal stories, but no government official is going to have the power that we have , when we share our personal experience. So those are a few things that people can do.

Teisha Rose: Yeah, that's great Jarrod. And you're right, we're being respectful , I did some work at the NDIA head office.

There are good people in there. They're also having to implement things that maybe they don't agree with, you know, and that's their job and they're looking after their family and they need to be there. So you're absolutely right we be respectful, but [00:46:00] we share the impact and I think what sharing the impact does what sharing this episode with other people does is if you hear someone talking about, ah, well, the physios, OTs, they earn too much money. Now, you know that's not the case. Now, you know that they're needed and their impact of that service not being there. That is dire. So I think that's what you've shared with us today.

Um, so in terms of, just really quickly, I'll put it in the show notes. Do you have, um, any social media handles that people I know you are on and have followers on LinkedIn? That's where we connected.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: Yeah. Uh, if you want policy ideas or discussion LinkedIn is probably the best way, um, but in a more general place , I, I have a very basic website jarrodsandellhay.com. [00:47:00] It's mostly just a landing place where people can find all the different places people can find me.

Teisha Rose: Yep. Perfect. They can, they can Google your name, I'm sure, Jarrod, and they'll find you as well. But beware, I will be. I should've done more research. Um, but thank you so much.

This is such an important conversation because let's make it real. Let's make the consequences of what is happening real. It will impact you, it impacts me, it impacts your family, you know, so we definitely need to continue these conversations. ,. So thank you Jarrod. Really, really appreciate your time and glad you wrote that article and very glad that we connected.

Jarrod Sandell-Hay: No worries thanks for having me on and thanks for your good work.

Teisha Rose: Okay, so thank you so much for listening to the episode. If you found this really insightful, please share because this [00:48:00] is really important and hopefully you also really reflected on the level of thinking that Jarrod brings to this discussion. His perspective of how. Things happen, you know, how decisions made 18 months ago impacts what the government are talking about now, and I'd never picked up.

Things like talking about dolphin therapy, cuddle therapy, and saying that that seed was planted 18 months ago about how ridiculous it is that participants are getting therapies like that and it distracts from the main issue at hand. So. Yeah. I hope you really enjoyed that episode. Again, thank you so much, Jarrod.

If you're listening, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. Please sign the petition to stop the NDIS cuts. You can head to the show notes or visit the new [00:49:00] website. , it's now or never, dot com au. The petitions there also details on how you can contact your local mp. So yeah, definitely have a look at that. Also, just today as I'm recording this, I've been featured on a story

for the Australian Physiotherapy Association. Follow me on LinkedIn, Teisha Rose. Also have a look on Facebook or Instagram at Hurdle to Hope. Remember, hurdle to Hope with a number two. There is so much happening. I'm really happy that I've been able to use my voice.

In this campaign because the changes will have such a massive impact on me, a massive impact on the therapist I rely on, and also everyone else really trying to keep going with all the challenges you live with, with these health conditions and physiotherapy. [00:50:00] Speech therapy, ot, they've all made my life so much easier over the years.

The thought of not having access to those therapies, yeah, it's, it's not right. . Enjoy your week and I look forward to chatting to you next week.